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2004
Officers and Directors:
President: Tom Carnegie
Vice President: Scott Stubbert
Sec.-Treasurer: Janet Cerovski
Directors:
Tom Carnegie 2005
Janet Cerovski 2005
Tony Cerovski 2004
Gary Ebbert 2006
Rob Flesner 2004
Mark Hutchinson 2004
Doug Langel 2006
George Nickol 2006
Scott Stubbert 2005
Meeting
Secretary: Marjean Stubbert
Correspondence and newsletter: Tom Carnegie
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Membership
dues $10.00
Touring class: $25.00
Endurance runner: $35.00
Cover photo: Teardown 2003, Bozeman.
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General
News, Editorial and Sermon.
We have had the fall meeting.
The upshot of this is that the 2004 Montana 500 will
be based in Eureka, MT. The people of Eureka are
really gung-ho, and are out to top the Bozeman folk,
who hosted us last year. They have a tough act
to follow, but if the meal that they put on for us at
the general meeting is any indicator, I think they
might be up to the task. Thank-you people of
Eureka. There is more information about this in
the minutes. We approved a couple of rule
changes this year, neither of which will have much
effect on most of the cars or drivers. They are
sort of clarifying existing rules. Reading over
the minutes, I think I can summarize as follows:
No tailgating of non- participating vehicles and
balancing of rotating parts is optional. We
initially passed a motion to get rid of the restrictor
plates, but the issue was raised again and someone
changed their mind, so we will run with restrictor
plates at least one more year (in cars with aluminum
pistons). We want to emphasize that if a
carburetor has passed inspection in the past, it not
"grandfathered" in for time and eternity.
If the gauge didn't pass through last year, and one of
the inspectors can get it to pass this year - the
carburetor will be disallowed. Any carburetor
that the gauge will pass through will not be allowed
on a car in the trophy class, regardless of use in the
past. Please bring an extra carb if you are not
sure of yours. You may also send your carb to me
at 2225 N. Dollar Rd. Spokane Valley, WA 99212, and I
will check your carb anytime before the run.
Even if I say it is OK before hand, it still may be
declared illegal at the inspection if someone can pass
a gauge through it.
(Continued
on page 4)
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Hotels in Eureka:
Ksanka (base hotel) approx. $44.00/night.
PO Box
959
Eureka 59917
406-297-3127
Ksanka
Inn has 30 comfortable, affordable rooms with 6
kitchenettes, phones and cable TV. There is also a 24
hour gas station, and mini mart with a bakery and
deli. Free coffee and donuts are included with your
stay. There is ample parking for RV's, boats and
trucks. Ksanka Motor Inn is in the historic town of
Eureka, on the corners of Highway 93 and Highway
37."
The
Ksanka would like us to book our rooms at least a
month before the run if possible.
Silverado approx. $53.00/night.
Silverado
Motel, US Highway 93 N # 100, Eureka, MT 59917,
(406-297-7777)
The inspection day will be June, 20th
the run will start on June 21st. The
route hasn't been set yet. Mike Cuffe will be
working on that. We considered changing the run
to a four day event, but after talking to Mike, it
appears that we will go with the same three day run as
in the past.
There
will be an optional tour on the fourth day, as usual.
Dues are due. I will check with Janet and try to
post everyone's expiration date acurately on the next
newsletter. If you re-upped at the fall meeting
your dues are due for 2004. If you paid at the
fall meeting and you were previously current, you are
paid through 2004. All directors are required to
be both paid up members of this club and of the
national (MTFCA) club.
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Ford
Legends
As told by Gary Gordon
It was a spring day in 1959 in
Wichita, Kansas when I spotted a white 1949 two-door
Ford on Lynn Lowry's used car lot on south Broadway.
I stopped to look at it and fell in love with the
little Ford. Someone had kept good care of it
and there were signs of customizing on the car.
The salesman fired it up and the dual exhaust
manifolds and the dual pipes sounded like only Ford
flatheads do. I noted a hot ignition system and
a clean, well-kept engine. The salesman said the
last owner said it has a race cam and other parts to
make it go faster. I soon paid the $200.00
asking price and was on my way. The car ran good
the next couple of days so I decided to take it on a
trip I planned up the Kansas turnpike to Kansas City,
Missouri, a little over 200 miles away.
The Kansas Turnpike is a four-lane divided, modern
highway. I left Wichita about 9 a.m. on a
weekday. Since you pay to drive on this highway
and since it was a weekday, there were very few cars
coming or going. This is hard to imagine in this
day of crowded interstates!
I had not gone very far when to my surprise a brand
new Buick shot by with a brand new Chevy on its tail!
I was wondering how fast the old Ford would go anyway
so I put it in overdrive and stepped on the gas.
I hoped to be able to see if the Buick or if the Chevy
would win. I knew these cars would do around 120
MPH as I had lucky friends who could afford them.
Well. The old Ford went up to 90 pretty easy, then
slowly continued to accelerate to 92 - 93 - 94.
I fig
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ured
she would do 100, maybe 105 if I was lucky. The
other two cars were a good ways away by now and
fading. Slowly the needle on the speedometer
came to 100 MPH. The speedometer was round
shaped and it stopped at 100, but there was no peg
there. Zero was at about the 7 o'clock position
and 100 at about the 4 o'clock position. I was
amazed when the needle went past what I guessed was
110 MPH, and was still moving. Soon the needle
was pointing straight down and the two cars were no
longer pulling away. I can tell you a lot was
going on in that car, the least to say, my knuckles
had turned white! Both front windows were open,
and being a single guy, I had a lot of junk and trash
in the car. The wind would pick up an empty beer
can and slam it around the car almost breaking the
windshield and then out the window like a cannon
shell. Trash would shoot around and do a crazy
dance in the air. The car was handling
strangely. I was trying to get into the fast
lane very slowly. I could tell that one quick
move on the steering wheel and the car would roll
across the prairie and destroy itself. The
speedometer was pointing straight down and slowly
heading for zero. The overpasses were a mile or
more apart but they just kept popping up, they looked
like giant cement fly swatters, and I had to aim for
the small hole! How fast were the telephone
poles going by and did the white dash lines blend
together? I was going faster than that and I did
not even dare to look. It was getting to the
point where I was scared to even look at the
speedometer! I was coming up on the two cars - both in
the slow lane and I was in the fast lane. There
were two people in the leading Buick and the passenger
was looking back at the Chevy and me. The Chevy
driver was a young lady and a guy was on the passenger
side. I think he was letting his girl friend
drive his new Chevy. As I was getting ready to
pass I took one last quick glance at the needle and it
was still advancing, coming up on zero. An old
Ford was going to kick the you-know-what out of two
new GMC products! It turned out to not be that
simple. I was looking as far ahead as could,
dreading to see a car or truck ahead of us. To
my surprise as I
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got
close to the tail of the Chevy, it started to pull in
front of me. She did not look in the rear view
mirror. Why should she when they were doing 120
mph and had not passed anyone in the last thirty
minutes or so? I took my foot off of the gas
pedal, but being in overdrive the Ford did not slow
down. I hit the brakes, and they were good
brakes, but at that speed, the pedal faded away.
I hit the horn but the roar of the wind over-powered
the sound. The Ford now seemed to take over,
continuing to pass! That Ford was not going to
give up an opportunity like this just because I'd
turned chicken! The two people in the Buick were
desperately waving for the Chevy driver to look behind
her. The passenger in the Buick had gotten into
the back seat and was motioning violently for the
Chevy driver to look behind her. I could tell
the people in the Chevy thought the Buick people were
waving because they were being passed by the Chevy.
As the Chevy pulled in front of me there was no
stopping the old Ford, she had too much of a head of
steam built up. We were seconds away from a
three-car ball of fire that would have had the Highway
Patrol to this day speculating on what happened when
the Chevy driver finally looked and saw me.
Thanks to their power steering I was able to slip by.
As I did I looked into the face of the woman driver.
I have never seen a face with such terror in it before
or since. I could see both cars pulling over to
the side of the road. I had to let the old Ford
slow down on its own. Finally the needle said 75
mph. It seemed like 25 mph. I sure was
glad to see 75 mph again. Just as my nerves came
back I saw a red light flashing. I pulled over -
my mind racing as to how much a ticket for 140 mph or
even 100 mph might be. I would be doing time in
Leavenworth for sure. What a relief when the
officer said that he had just stopped me to let me
know that my tires were smoking! I got out with
shaky knees and sure enough, the tires were almost
burning! "I guess the tire pressure must be
low." I lied.
(end of story)
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Rick
Carnegie Spokane WA Director
Rob Flesner Chewelah WA Director
Gary Stoddard Spokane WA Member
Chuck Nauditt Spokane WA Member
Tony Cerovski Helena MT Director
Russ Stroud Eureka MT
Guest
Gary Montgomery Eureka (Lost Trail Publishing)
Guest
Bob Stoekley Eureka MT Guest
Marjean Stubbert Helena MT Member Secretary
Josh Stubbert Helena MT Member
James Stubbert Helena MT Guest
Don Lundeen Eureka MT Guest
Edna Gwynn Eureka MT Guest
Bill Gwynn Eureka MT Guest
Dick Whited Eureka MT Guest
Kathy Whited Eureka MT Guest
Mike Cuffe Eureka MT Member
JoAn Cuffe Eureka MT Guest
Tim Viano Kalispell MT Guest
Director's present at beginning of
meeting: 7
Members present including directors and officers:
18
Officers present: 3
Guests present: 11
Election of New Directors:
Outgoing Directors: Sam Nickol, Doug Langel and
Rick Carnegie
Nominations: George Nickol, Chuck Nauditt, Doug
Langel, and Gary Ebbert
Vote by written ballot: New directors are George
Nickol, Doug Langel, and Gary Ebbert.
Route Proposals and Vote:
Mike Cuffe proposed Eureka, MT for the hub of the 2004
race. He presented the following proposal
package:
"Welcome to Eureka, Montana.
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We are small town friendly, but we like to do things
big.
Let us welcome Craig Eaton, Mayor of Eureka, who has
come to say hello.
Our lunch today was put together by JoAn Cuffe,
President of the Eureka Chamber of Commerce.
JoAn is one of my old girl friends, and we have been
hanging out together almost as long as you have been
running the Montana 500. Thank her for lunch,
and thank Bob Stoekley for the pie.
Now I would like to introduce a few other Model T
Aficionados from Montana's northwest corner.
Richard Whited, Bob Stoekley, Gary Montgomery, Don
Lundeen, Carl Lundeen, Russ Stroud, Scott Colgrove,
and Bill Gwynn.
OUR PROPOSAL FOR EUREKA
First, this room is available at no charge as much as
we might want it.
Secondly, we have an eager group of good workers who
would do things up right, from breakfasts to publicity
to boat tours of Lake Koocanusa. My biggest
problem might be finding a way to let everybody be
involved.
ACCOMMODATIONS:
The Ksanka Inn has 30 rooms available at a rate of
something less than $44. Some of you have stayed
there and say it is fine. There is lots of
parking, gas pumps, a convenience store and Subway
sandwiches right there.
The Silverado, just across the intersection of
Highways 93 and 37 offers another 10 rooms at $53.00.
The Silverado has full service camping spots plus
golf, a lounge and casino.
A few more moderately priced rooms are available at a
third motel a half mile towards town.
Four Corners Casino and Restaurant is across the
highway from the two bigger motels and another casino
restaurant and bowling alley is next door. Both
could provide reasonable private meeting rooms each
evening, should we want it.
We have people who would help as needed, whether it is
as a timer, driving a trouble trailer, helping
barbecue, calculating times or whatever.
Big Sky Exxon has offered use of its shop. The
Ranch Hand Conoco would like to be a part. A
couple other shops are being offered. Yes, all
have at least three bays available to us. The
Lundeen Brothers welcome us to tour their museum of
vehicles, tractors and equipment.
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If you decide to base the run here, the Chamber will
cook up some other things to make it fun. We may
have breakfasts at the Senior Citizens center, and old
car show at Historical Village, crafts show, lunch in
the park, music or whatever else somebody dreams up.
You may see more publicity than ever before.
We will finish with a barbecue and awards ceremony
either downtown at the Riverside Park-Historical
Village area, or we may go out to the Lundeen Brothers
ranch. That might be a good time to tour their
museum.
The tour on Thursday will be based on the Libby Dam
Project, which started in about 1965. We will
have presentations and tours of the seven-mile
railroad tunnel and railroad relocation, Libby Dam,
the fish hatchery and relocated town of Rexford.
We will finish the tour at Rexford Bench campground
with boat tours on Lake Koocanusa.
(Proposed) ROUTES FOR THE RUN:
Now for the Real Deal. The routes for the run.
The first day we will gather up at the
Historical Village at the foot of Main Street so the
locals can cheer although the timers will do the
actual start north of town. We turn southwest on
Highway 37 for 10 miles, then cross Montana's highest,
longest bridge to the Forestry Development Road on the
west shore of Lake Koocanusa and run south to Libby, a
total of about 70 miles of frequent curves and
switchbacks. It will test your driving skills.
Then turn west on the Pipe Creek Road, or Montana 68,
and come out on the Yaak River Road, or Montana 508,
run south to Highway 2 near the Idaho border, then
east to Troy and Libby and north to Eureka on Highway
37. Total distance is about 215 miles. I
have driven it and feel it is suitable, but I ask a
second opinion of any of you who might drive that
route on your way to Washington today.
Reasonable alternatives are available, if Pipe Creek-Yaak
River is not to your liking. They could include
running Highway 2 to the Idaho boarder and back, or
traveling down Bull River Road, Highway 56 and back.
The second day run will be south on Highway 93 to
Whitefish, Kalispell, then west on Highway 2 to Libby
and back up Highway 37. It could be run the
other direction, but I thought the Flathead traffic
might be lighter in the morning. It also is
about 215 miles in distance.
The third day will be a run north of Eureka on Highway
93 to the Canadian border, a nearly straight shot of
eight miles, then a wheelaround turn and back down 93
meeting the other Model Ts to Highway 37, another trip
across the big bridge and a drive up the West Kootenai
Road to the Amish settlement where we would have
coffee and rolls before running the same rout back to
Eureka. That run is just under 100 miles.
Alternate routes of 100 miles could be a circle of
Lake Koocanusa using the FDR Road and 37, or a trip to
Whitefish and back.
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Thank you for holding this meeting in the heart of
Tobacco Valley. If you have questions at any
time, contact me at (406)889-5777. Or PO Box
1685, Eureka, Montana 59917. Or at mcuffe@interbel.net
.
Summary discussion of Eureka is as follows:
Discussion occurred about racing in Canada, and people
would need a passport, or birth certificates and two
photo Ids to come back to the US. Most
individuals seemed to be against doing any race days
at all in Canada. There is a time consideration
for getting back into the US, also inspection issues.
There was mention that the insurance may not allow it
in Canada, but that might not be a problem.
Gary Stoddard moved and Gary Ebbert seconded to
nominate Eureka for the race location. The
nominations were closed and it was unanimous to have
the 2004 race in Eureka with the route to be confirmed
by the directors. Great sell Mike!!
Mark Hutchinson moved and Rob Flesner seconded to
change the current 3-day race format to a 4-day race
format. Discussion followed, motion did not
pass.
Tony Cerovski moved that the directors would work the
route if at all possible to make it a 4-day event, but
if it does not work out to keep the 3-day format for
the 2004 race. Motion was seconded by Gary
Stoddard. Discussion followed, and the motion
passed.
Rules Modifications:
Tom Carnegie read a letter from Steve Coniff who
wanted the club to use different gauges for the
carburetors. Tom asked for a motion.
George Nickol moved that we do not use Steve's
gauges. Rick Carnegie seconded that motion.
Motion was carried.
Mark Hutchinson moved that we consider proposed rule
changes A through L as written in the mailed format.
A second was made. Motion carried.
Six written proxies were presented and included in the
vote counts, and one verbal proxy was granted, 18
members were present, for a total of 25 possible votes
if everyone voted.
A. Rule 25 as it exists: Only stock cast iron or
aluminum intake manifolds with ports not to exceed 1
1/8" diameter are allowed. New manufactured
with ports not to exceed 1 1/8" are allowed.
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Motion to strike "or aluminum" and "New
manufactured with ports not to exceed 1 1/8" are
allowed."
New rule would read: Only stock cast iron intake
manifolds with ports not to exceed 1 1/8"
diameter are allowed.
Motion Failed 22-no; 3-yes
B. Rule 33 as it exists: A restrictor plate with two
gaskets provided by the Association, will be placed
between the intake manifold and carburetor, supervised
by
the inspectors on the day of the inspection. Plate
will be a thickness of 1/8 inch metal with an 11/16
inch diameter hole. Restrictor plates will not be used
on engines with cast iron pistons.
Motion to strike rule 33 in its entirety.
Motion Carried 13-yes; 12-no
C. Rule 7 as it exists: No tailgating of support or
tour vehicles.
Motion to add "or any non-participating
vehicles"
Rule 7 would then read: No tailgating of support or
tour vehicles or any non- participating vehicles.
Motion carried 15-yes; 8-no
D. Rule 32 as it exists: Only NH swayback and/or
Ford "F" swayback carburetors allowed. Must
be complete including choke butterfly. The
Association's 0.710 inch gauge MUST NOT go through the
carburetor.
Motion to add "no altering" after word
"allowed".
Rule 32 would then read: Only NH swayback and/or Ford
"F" swayback carburetors allowed, no
altering. Must be complete including choke butterfly.
The Association's 0.710 inch gauge MUST NOT go through
the carburetor.
Motion failed 15-no; 7-yes
E. Motion to add new rule: The use of performance
enhancing fuels or additives is not allowed. All
cars must use straight pump gas as fuel.
Motion failed 14-no; 8-yes
F. Rule 52 as it exists: Any cam that doesn't require
modification of the block may be used. Bearing bores
must be standard size, no relieving of the bearing
bores.
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Camshaft
bearings and seal optional.
Add "provided gross lift does not exceed
.250" " after word used.
Rule 52 would then read: Any cam that doesn't require
modification of the block may be used, provided gross
lift does not exceed .250". Bearing bores must be
standard size, no relieving of the bearing bores.
Camshaft bearings and seal optional.
Motion failed 22-no
G. Motion to add new rule: Auxiliary rear pan supports
are allowed.
Motion failed 17-no; 7-yes
H. Motion to add new rule: All drivers are required to
adhere to posted speed limits.
Motion failed 14-no; 7-yes
I. Motion to add new rule: Are cars are required to
have a working speed indicator.
Motion failed 14-no; 7-yes
J. Motion to add new rule: Balancing of rotating parts
optional.
Motion carried 17-yes; 5-no
K. Motion to add new rule: Type of high-speed clutch
optional.
Motion failed 13-no; 7-yes
L. Rule 27 as it exists: Only stock Ford roller type,
New Day, Anderson flapper type timers or Crystal
timers allowed. Ball or needle bearing rollers
optional. Quick couplers NOT ALLOWED in timer
wires.
Motion to add: "brush design optional" after
words "Crystal timers allowed".
New rule would read: Only stock Ford roller type, New
Day, Anderson flapper type timers or Crystal timers
allowed, brush design optional. Ball or needle
bearing rollers optional. Quick couplers NOT
ALLOWED in timer wires.
Motion failed 13-no; 7-yes
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Scott
Stubbert moved for no more rule changes. It was
seconded, and carried.
Other new business:
Tony Cerovski moved that we note on the newsletter
that all parties that were allowed to run last year
with illegal carburetors will not be allowed or
grandfathered to run with those same illegal
carburetors. Gary Ebbert seconded, and motion
carried.
Tom Carnegie will form a committee to look into tour
car scheduling before the race starts.
Kathleen Ebbert proposed the week of June 20, 2004,
for the 2004 race, with the 20th (Sunday)
as the inspection day, and the 21st as the
start of the race.
Scott Stubbert proposed the week of July 14, 2004, for
the 2004 race, with the 14th as the
inspection day and the 15th as the start of
the race.
The week of June 20, 2004,for the race, with the 20th
as the inspection day and the 21st as the
start of the race was carried by majority vote.
Tony Cerovski moved to revote the restrictor plate
issue as proposed in Motion B above. Motion was
seconded. New votes for eliminating the
restrictor plates = 12; votes against eliminating the
restrictor plates = 13. This reversed the
original vote, so proposed Motion B Failed.
A trophy of appreciation is going to be presented to
Bozeman Ford for their help last year.
Mike Robison motioned to Adjourn. Second was
made and the motion carried. Adjourned at 4:00
PM.
Disclaimer: These minutes represent
the main portions of the meeting and do not include
every word of discussion that was brought forward at
this meeting. Most discussion was not recorded
because it was not possible to keep up with the
meeting and record every point of discussion
accurately.
Secretary: Marjean Stubbert, Helena, MT
(end of minutes)
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