2024 MCCTA
2024 MCCTA
Montana Cross Country “T” Association
2021 Annual Fall Meeting Minutes
St. Regis, Montana and Google Meet Video Conference October 10, 2021
President Rick Bonebright called the meeting to order at 12:10 pm, Sunday, October 10, 2021.
Meeting Attendance:
In Person: 24 members and 4 guests. Members: Sandy Baren, Sonny Bishop, Charlan Bonebright, Rick Bonebright, Ralph Brevik, Rick Carnegie, Tom Carnegie, Erica Cerovski, Senator Mike Cuffe, Levi Dyckman, Maggie Hansen, Matt Hansen, Charley Hodges, Rose Hodges, Brandon Langel, Nan Robison, and Mike Stormo. Guests: Martha Cochran, and Representative Denley Loge HD-14.
On Google Meet: Carla Carnegie, Janet Cerovski, Tony Cerovski, Mike Robison, Garrett Green, Craig Crothers, Gene Carothers, Larry Azevedo, Kirk Peterson, Dan Brown, and Morgan Cerovski.
1. President’s Request:
1.1. President Rick Bonebright requested that anyone wishing to talk to raise a hand in person or click the “raise hand’ button on Google Meet. Only one person should talk at a time so that all could hear and have a say. He requested all in person talkers to speak into the meeting microphone.
1.2. President Bonebright introduced the in house membership, Representative Denley Loge, and the people logged onto Google Meet to the membership.
2. Old Business:
2.1. 2020 Meeting Minutes:
2.1.1. Nan Robison motioned to approve the 2020 Fall Meeting Minutes. Sonny Bishop 2nd the motion. Motion passed by show of hands.
2.2. 2021 Treasurer’s Report:
2.2.1. Janet Cerovski stated the Treasurer’s Report shown in the 2021 Fall Meeting Invitation was amended to include members bringing up their dues to date. Motion to accept the Treasure’s Report as amended by Mike Cuffe. 2nd by Ralph Brevik. Motion passed on a show of hands.
2.3. 2021 Run Recap:
2.3.1. President Rick Bonebright asked if there were any additions or deletions to the 2021 run shown in the Fall Newsletter Invitation. None noted. Accepted as is.
2.4. General Liability Insurance from the Model T Ford Club of America (MTFCA).
2.4.1 Rick Bonebright asked Tony Cerovski to report on his findings with acquiring Liability Coverage through the MTFCA.
2.4.2.Tony said he has email confirmation from Rachel Hughes of MTFCA, that we currently meet Chapter status and we are covered. From this point forward, all directors and replacement directors are be required by MCCTA to become members in good status of the MTFCA.
2.4.3. Larry Azevedo offered more on the coverage to expect. It is not for a vehicle’s liability use, but more so for protection of the club if something other happens during the event. Mike Stormo spoke too.
2.4.4. The Montana Cross Country “T” Association (MCCTA) will be listed as a “Chapter” on the back page of the Vintage Ford Magazine.
2.4.5. Qualifications. If all Officers and Directors and 50% of MCCTA members are MFTCA members, we will remain qualified.
2.4.6. Janet Cerovski stated that 70% of our current MCCTA membership are listed as members of the MTFCA. All of our directors are MTFCA members currently. As Treasurer, Janet is the MCCTA-MTFCA contact person for membership.
2.4.7. President Bonebright suggested that all future directors become members of the MTFCA soon. The event insurance would be a liability insurance policy for our club and membership.
2.5. Separate Event Liability Insurance.
2.5.1. Last year (2020) Matt Hansen related that the MT-500 could get liability insurance on the whole group/club. This year Larry Azevedo suggested purchasing additional insurance, such like what Mike Bender is looking at for his hill climb events. Tom suggested we form a committee to look into it. President Bonebright agreed.
2.5.2. Liability Waiver Forms.
2.5.2.1. Last year (2020), Jillian Robison asked if we need to review/update the current liability waivers. Matt and others said the Liability Waiver Form should be ok, if we do a better job of getting them filled out and signed by drivers, timers, riders, etc., but we will look at it.
3. Packet Idea is Working.
3.1.1. Last year (2020) Matt Hansen proposed that a “Packet” be sent to all members for next year which would include:
3.1.1.1. Membership dues fees;
3.1.1.2. Driver’s fees;
3.1.1.3. Liability Waiver;
3.1.1.4. Hat and or T-shirt order form (sizes, quantity, etc.)
3.1.1.5. Payment by Lump Sum.
3.1.1.5.1. There was widespread agreement to do the Packet for 2021 event.
3.2. President Rick Bonebright said the packet idea worked good, and we will do the packet again for 2022.
4. New Business:
4.1. President Bonebright called for new business.
4.1.1. Rick Bonebright said there was a newsletter sent out about 6-weeks ago calling for new rule ideas. 5 items came in and were published in the newsletter sent out two weeks ago. Only one member sent in his proxies. Tom asked for voting by a show of hands. Rick Bonebright agreed.
4.1.2. Existing Rules:
4.1.2.1. Tom Carnegie stated that the current rules have been perverted.
4.1.2.1.1. The statement specifying tire sizes was added in error.
4.1.2.1.2. A statement dealing with exhaust wrap is missing.
4.1.2.1.3. Tony’s DQ should have been given a time penalty.
4.1.2.1.3.1. Tony will do a search and proof on the rules.
4.1.2.1.3.1.1. Tony found discussion in the October 11, 2015 Meeting Minutes stating a motion “no exhaust wrap shall be allowed prior to the termination of the 36 inches of the exhaust pipe.” There was a 2nd and motion carried. “No exhaust pipe wrapping allowed on the first 36” of the exhaust pipe.”, will be added to the B2h rule.
4.1.2.1.3.1.2. Tony found discussion in the October 14, 2018 Meeting Minutes on specifying and discussion on tire sizes, but determined the motion and vote only concerned forbidding the use of radial tires. “Tire sizes allowed…”, will be removed from the B2n rule.
4.1.2.1.3.2. Tony found discussion in the October 16, 2011 Meeting Minutes. In Rule B21. “The club’s W-gauge shall not pass from the choke side of the carburetor.” This rule remains unchanged from conception to date.
4.1.2.1.3.2.1. Since the W-gauge did pass his carburetor, Tony DQ’d himself.
4.2. New Rule Proposals:
4.2.1. Note: New rules are in red script.
4.2.2. A14. New Seals Every Year.
4.2.2.1. Rick Bonebright made the motion. Tom, Brandon, Larry, Matt, Sonny, and Stormo spoke and amended it to, “Every year new lead inspection seals will be placed on each competing car. Drivers are required to remove and properly discard existing seals and seal wire from the head bolts, carburetor bolts, rod door bolts and windshield before inspection begins.” Passed unanimously.
4.2.2.1.1. Matt Hansen is to acquire new seals and stainless-steel wires. The club will reimburse him.
4.2.3. B.2.o. Modern Pinion Housing Bearing:
4.2.3.1. Tony Cerovski motioned to allow Modern Pinion Bearings for the drive shaft pinion spool. Tony, Tom, Mike R, Larry, Stormo, Garrett, Rick B spoke on the proposal. The amended motion reads, “Modern drive shaft pinion bearings allowed in the pinion spool.” Brandon 2nd. Passed 10 for, 8 against.
4.2.4. B.2.y. Original Ford u-joints modified with needle bearings allowed. Larry Azevedo motioned the to allow original Ford u-joints modified with needle bearings. Brandon 2nd. Motion carried unanimously. New rule B.2.y. Original Ford u-joints modified with needle bearings allowed.
4.2.5. B.2,r. Allow use of new forged steel babbitted connecting rods. Tony Cerovski proposed and amended a new rule, causing Rule B.2.r to read “Replace the word ‘Script’ in rule B.2.r with ‘steel forged babbitt poured type. (Snyder’s rods T-3026-xxx meeting this criterion allowed.).” Motion failed.
4.2.5.1. Note: Motion should have been stated “Rods must be Model T Ford script or SAE 4140 babbitted rods as per Snyder’s T-3026-xxx.”, but was not.
4.2.6. E7. Driver’s to vote on additional teardowns. After much discussion, Matt Hansen proposed that the Drivers vote on additional teardowns, not the Directors. 2nd. Passed. Third sentence is replaced with, “Additional teardowns will be put to a vote of the drivers. Drivers will be allowed to view the teardown from a respectable distance. Disruptive people will leave the area.”
4.2.7. Stop sign penalty: There was some discussion on adding a penalty for running a stop sign, but no motion.
4.2.8. New rule proposal for separating homologated and non-homologated cars. Tom Carnegie proposed that homologated car times be separated from non-homologated cars. This will be a new rule, E10. Homologated cars will be placed higher in the finish order than non-homologated cars. Motion passed.
4.2.9. New rule proposal allowing needle bearings in the triple gears with hardened pins. Mike Stormo motioned to “Allow needle bearings to replace the z-bronze bushings in the triple gears along with hardened pins pressed into the flywheel. Matt seconded the motion. Motion passed. New rule added to D2. Optional equipment includes: -Triple gear bushings may be replaced with needle bearings and hardened flywheel triple gear pins.
4.2.10. New rule to rescind 15 minute penalty from E5. Tom Carnegie motioned to rescind the 15-minute penalty from existing rule E5. Motion passed. E5 will read, “Trailered cars will receive slow time. Cars trailered on the last day are not eligible for prize money or trophies.
4.2.11. New rule to have a non-driver person in charge of the radar gun(s). Mike Stormo motioned, “The President will pick a non-driver to setup the radar locations and this non-driver and helper(s) is not to discuss the radar locations with any driver.” Motion passed. New rule A9.b. will read, “The President will pick one non-driver person to be in charge of the radar guns. This person will select the locations for radaring and other non-driver persons for running the radar guns. This person and helpers are on their honor to not discuss the radar location whereabouts with anyone else.”
4.2.12. New rule stating no modifications to rod, bolts, and rod nuts. Brandon Langel proposed no modifications to rod, caps, bolts and nuts with concerns there could be a catastrophic failure of the rod cap mechanism. After some discussion, Brandon withdrew his new rule proposal.
5. Nominations for new directors: President Bonebright stated Matt Hansen and Mike Robison’s director terms are expiring today.
5.1. Tom Carnegie nominated Matt Hansen. The nomination was seconded by Nan and closed. Matt Hansen was elected to another term running from 2022 to 2025.
5.2. Garrett Green nominated Mike Robison, Mike respectfully declined his nomination.
5.3. Mike Stormo nominated Nan Robison. Garrett Green seconded Nan’s nomination. Nominations were closed. Nan was elected to a term running from 2022 to 2025.
5.3.1. List of Officers and Directors:
5.3.1.1. President – Rick Bonebright 2021-2023
5.3.1.2. Vice President – Brandon Langel 2021-2023
5.3.1.3. Treasurer – Janet Cerovski 2021-2023
5.3.1.4. Director – Matt Hansen 2022-2024
5.3.1.5. Director – Nan Robison 2022-2024
5.3.1.6. Director – Sonny Bishop 2020-2022
5.3.1.7. Director – Erica Cerovski 2020-2022
5.3.1.8. Director – Dan Brown 2020-2022
5.3.1.9. Director – Rick Carnegie 2020-2022
6. President Bonebright asked for host city nominations for 2022’s Endurance Run.
6.1. Mike Stormo took a two-pronged approach. Stormo nominated Glendive, Montana and move the Endurance Run dates up one week, being June 12th thru June 15th, 2022 so that he and others can make it to the National Tour in Wisconsin the following weekend.
6.2. Brandon Langel nominated Miles City for the host city, stating better routes and less interstate driving which Glendive may give us.
6.3. Larry Azevedo advocated for Father’s Day, June 19th thru June 22, 2022, being that having the same dates makes it easier to schedule.
6.4. Mike Cuffe, Tom Carnegie, and Nan Robison advocated for Stormo’s proposal. Larry Azevedo changed to the earlier week. Brandon Langel rescinded his nomination of Miles City.
6.4.1. Glendive on the dates of June 12th through June 15th, 2022 is the host city.
7. The Traveling Trophy. Nan Robison was put in charge of fixing and updating the MCCTA Winner’s traveling trophy a few years back. Nan feels that having Mark Hutchenson add another layer to the existing trophy was the way to go. Then her group decided to go with a whole new trophy. So, there are these two options. President Bonebright asked for discussion.
7.1. Garrett Green thinks it is disrespectful to some previous winners to go with a new trophy. Garrett favors adding a new layer to the bottom and keep the old trophy going.
7.2. Gene Crothers agrees with Garrett.
7.3. Mike Robison asked if Garrett has a fear of loosing the old trophy history. President Rick Bonebright clarified Garrett’s position to Mike Robison.
7.4. Tom Carnegie stated the current trophy is not the first trophy, the current trophy is the 2nd trophy. The first trophy was retired or lost or something. This trophy is from the late ‘70’s or early 80’s. Tom said this trophy is beat to crap, just jaded.
7.5. Sonny Bishop favors a new trophy with all names on it.
7.6. Mike Robison favors a new trophy.
7.7. Nan favors a new trophy with all new names. Consolidate it for easier for travel. All names will be on it.
7.8. Sonny motioned for retiring the old trophy and get a new trophy for all existing names.
7.9. Mike Stormo said getting rid of the old trophy is like getting rid of the Model T’s and driving 2020 Ford escapes. Stormo wants to keep the existing old trophy.
7.10. Rose Hodges favors the new trophy and giving the old one to Tom Carnegie.
7.11. President Bonebright decided to table the motion for now.
8. Awards:
8.1. Sally Peters asked President Bonebright to discuss a Doug Langel Award.
8.1.1. Nan admires Bud Peters and Doug Langle, but doesn’t want to do awards for all of the old racers.
8.1.2. Brandon said it’s a nice thought. Please sign this giant birthday for Doug. Maybe a memorial endurance run. Brandon prefers that everyone wear their best dirty white coveralls to honor Doug and the older drivers. Let’s table this for now. President Bonebright agreed and tabled this item.
9. The Spreadsheet and Data.
9.1. Mike Robison asked if it is at all possible to provide more data in the end-of-day printout. That would make him happier. He would like to skip the sheets handed out after the end of each leg, stating an inconvenience to the timers too. Later on, Mike said if he could get the information he wants at the end of every leg, that would be cool.
9.2. Larry Azevedo said having the sheets printed out after every leg of the run was nice. He and Kirk found the sheet reviews interesting and fun for them to compare their car to other cars in their vicinity and group. Larry advocated for keeping the handouts at the end of each leg.
9.3. Tony Cerovski asked Mike Robison to give him a call, several calls, and discuss all of the data that he would like to see in the end-of-day print out. Maybe Levi and Erica would check the syntax on the changes.
9.4. Mike Robison said that sounds like a fair thing.
10. President Rick Bonebright asked for a motion to adjourn.
10.1.1. Mike Cuffe made a motion to adjourn. Tom Carnegie 2nd the motion. Passed unanimously.
10.1.2. Total Meeting time was 3 hours and 30 minutes.